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i want 408's opinion on this pronto

I've contributed all I have, which was mostly agreeing with everything Sonatine said and adding tidbits here and there.

Seriously tho netstat on the mac platform is pretty useless, as Tine explained LSOF -a with a variety of | grep <> input is MUCH more detailed and offers much better information. That was my experience, anyway.

Other than that, for password issues boot into recovery mode (either opt and select recovery partition on booting or hold cmnd-r, this will become internet recovery with the 650mb partition removed if you deleted it, which I normally did) and get a console going and enter "reset password" it will give you a drop down identical to the password reset option on the old snow leopard dvd's.

Which basically means the mac platform, unless it's changed recently, is literally a joke in terms of security. I've got a few ways into windows now but they require a lot of effort and I can't do it without special programs (offline NT reg editor, ophcrack that sort of thing) but mac's just holding two buttons and then entering "reset password" is enough to do the trick???

I intentionally omit booting into single user to change the password because the firmware locker most people seem capable of using thwarts it.

Macs are a joke and I hate windows. Debian is where it's at, for me at least. Knoppix STD > mac/pc by miles and miles IMO.

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Scooter, as you seem concerned over potential security risks, I hope this offers some assistance in the matter:http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/se...-debian-howto/<---Hardening Debian

http://www.debian.org/<---lots of Debian related stuff/links

Of the Debian distro's out there, Knoppix I like quite a bit. Backbox is pretty tits as well, easier to use than BT, for me anyway (novice/learning user)I am messing with it (Backbox) now, just haven't had much time on it yet.

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=std
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=backbox

http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Forensics<--Any of these is cool

http://distrowatch.com/search.php?os...&status=Active<--Any of these would likely offer the privacy you desire

https://tails.boum.org/index.en.html<--decent medium to use in conjunction with what you already have, via live environment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securit...erating_system<--bigger list

In my unprofessional opinion you are probably not going to experience the security and privacy you so desire with either mac or windows type operating systems without considerable effort or some kind of security minded medium to augment what you already have.

I hope the links offer something to suit your taste and needs sufficiently.

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Why is this horrifying, imprinted excuse for a vassal screaming his insanity at me?

Privacy? Fucking PRIVACY?

PUT YOUR SELF DOWN YOU FUCKING HORROR.

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so in this intellectually sterile dumbscape you harvest nuggets of country wisdom such as these from, /bin/dd somehow magically skips the disk sectors that contain the journals when doing block for block hard drive replication?

DD is a very powerful tool if used properly. Assuming the operator knows to check for partial cylinders and copy or overwrite any surplus sectors it is usually very good at what it does.

However, with Apple's HFS+ journaling, yes dd might not copy everything over. The reason being the journal might be external- "Only Mac OS Extended (HFS+) volumes hosted on disk volumes that contain a GUID Partition Table (GPT) may host either the HFS+ volume, or the external journal partition. Any existing Journaled HFS+ volume can be converted to use an external journal when it is cleanly unmounted."
(see this link for more details.)

dd is going to copy whatever it's told to copy, and the journals might be missed in two places- either having been tucked away in a partial cylinder or moved to an external location.

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how curious.

how bizarre.

No, not really.

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i wonder then, how does the jfs_fscklog tool bend time and space to retrieve the serial log?

jfs_fscklog -e /dev/ttySO or something should work. If not, just dump via shell cat /dev/ttyS0 > file.txt

I am probably missing something intended, but I'm not sure what.

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do you think somehow this "data scrubbing software" is somehow less sophisticated than jfs_logdump?

Probably not.

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surely this cant be attributed to someone knowing fuckall about filesystems. or how to properly run "data scrubbing software".

Firstly I never claimed to be an expert on filesystems, though I understand rudimentary details and facts. I am a novice learning on my own every day and never claim to be otherwise at this point in time. If you can appreciate my honesty in the aforementioned statement you would also realize I won't poke my head out without having a solid feel for the validity of the information I was sharing.

Secondly I know quite well how to operate data scrubbing software and I am also aware of how it works. The topic at hand being Apple's journaled HFS+ filesystem my assertions are correct- DBAN will not touch it and if you can somehow get it to run the journals will still not be touched. Reason being- the way Apple has designed their filesystem one of the areas containing the journals is similar to an HPA (if not an HPA outright).

With Apple, they use the following nine structure file system format for their HFS+ file system:

1-Sectors 0 and 1 of the volume are HFS boot blocks. These are identical to the boot blocks in an HFS volume. They are part of the HFS wrapper.

2-Sector 2 contains the Volume Header equivalent to the Master Directory Block in an HFS volume. The Volume Header stores a wide variety of data about the volume itself, for example the size of allocation blocks, a timestamp that indicates when the volume was created or the location of other volume structures such as the Catalog File or Extent Overflow File. The Volume Header is always located in the same place.

3-The Allocation File which keeps track of which allocation blocks are free and which are in use. It is similar to the Volume Bitmap in HFS, in which each allocation block is represented by one bit. A zero means the block is free and a one means the block is in use. The main difference with the HFS Volume Bitmap, is that the Allocation File is stored as a regular file, it does not occupy a special reserved space near the beginning of the volume. The Allocation File can also change size and does not have to be stored contiguously within a volume.

4-The Catalog File is a B-tree that contains records for all the files and directories stored in the volume. The HFS Plus Catalog File is very similar to the HFS Catalog File, the main differences being records are larger to allow more fields and to allow for those fields to be larger (for example to allow the longer 255-character unicode file names in HFS Plus). A record in the HFS Catalog File is 512 bytes in size, a record in the HFS Plus Catalog File is 4 KB in Mac OS and 8 KB in OS X. Fields in HFS are of fixed size, in HFS Plus the size can vary depending on the actual size of the data they store.

5-The Extents Overflow File is another B-tree that records the allocation blocks that are allocated to each file as extents. Each file record in the Catalog File is capable of recording eight extents for each fork of a file; once those are used additional extents are recorded in the Extents Overflow File. Bad blocks are also recorded as extents in the Extents Overflow File. The default size of an extent record in Mac OS is 1 KB and 4 KB in OS X.

6-The Attributes File is a new B-tree in HFS Plus that does not have a corresponding structure in HFS. The Attributes File can store three different types of 4 KB records: Inline Data Attribute records, Fork Data Attribute records and Extension Attribute records. Inline Data Attribute records store small attributes that can fit within the record itself. Fork Data Attribute records contain references to a maximum of eight extents that can hold larger attributes. Extension Attributes are used to extend a Fork Data Attribute record when its eight extent records are already used.

7-The Startup File is designed for non-Mac OS systems that don't have HFS or HFS Plus support. It is similar to the Boot Blocks of an HFS volume.

8-The second to last sector contains the Alternate Volume Header equivalent to the Alternate Master Directory Block of HFS.

9-The last sector in the volume is reserved for use by Apple. It is used during the computer manufacturing process.

Now that last entry is tricky- Apple does not tell you specifically but this is one of the areas where the journals are kept. I only know that because I asked an apple genius about the journals as they strike me as a type of HPA, which I still think they are, and he agreed.

"Does DBAN wipe the Host Protected Area ("HPA")?
No.

Most vendors that are using the HPA have a toggle for it in the BIOS setup program. Future releases of DBAN may override or dishonor the HPA.

Why not now and why not by default?
Some vendors are using the HPA instead of providing rescue media.

Wiping the HPA would surprise and strand people that expect the HPA to have rescue materials, and it often results in OEM technical support marking and abandoning people that do it. The HPA is a low risk because it is not accessible during normal operations.

DBAN defaults are chosen to best protect people with a minimal understanding of this kind of problem. This point is still open for discussion in the help forum and in the appropriate bug ticket."

Taken from here and I can assure you, there is a spooky recovery image which Scuter and I have talked about at length before you can NOT remove from the laptop under any and all circumstances so far as I know. He claimed it was stored in the video bios which may be true, I personally think it's just stashed away on the second internal hard drive (the one they never admit exists)

To add to that, keeping the above in mind, you'll notice when running disk utility and want to wipe a drive you get this small error/info message "certain types of media retain data disk utility cannot erase"


Hilarious right?

Apple designed this system to be very hard to crack, believe me, I tried. The bios freezes the hard drive so if you boot from live media you get a frozen locked drive. Hot plug it and you unfreeze it, but the HPA/DCO (I had both) are untouchable. I managed to get security erase to work but not enhanced security erase and I was unable to restore factory DCO settings (yes_I_knew_what_I_was_doing --with-hdparm)

If you can prove me wrong more power to you. I find the discussion interesting to the fullest, especially when it comes to Apple.

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I've contributed all I have, which was mostly agreeing with everything Sonatine said and adding tidbits here and there.

Seriously tho netstat on the mac platform is pretty useless, as Tine explained LSOF -a with a variety of | grep <> input is MUCH more detailed and offers much better information. That was my experience, anyway.

Other than that, for password issues boot into recovery mode (either opt and select recovery partition on booting or hold cmnd-r, this will become internet recovery with the 650mb partition removed if you deleted it, which I normally did) and get a console going and enter "reset password" it will give you a drop down identical to the password reset option on the old snow leopard dvd's.

Which basically means the mac platform, unless it's changed recently, is literally a joke in terms of security. I've got a few ways into windows now but they require a lot of effort and I can't do it without special programs (offline NT reg editor, ophcrack that sort of thing) but mac's just holding two buttons and then entering "reset password" is enough to do the trick???

I intentionally omit booting into single user to change the password because the firmware locker most people seem capable of using thwarts it.

Macs are a joke and I hate windows. Debian is where it's at, for me at least. Knoppix STD > mac/pc by miles and miles IMO.

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He called me Imprinted and an excuse for a vassal dude. He knows I have a thing for that vassal word, it being one of the first quirky things he talked about when I landed on the scene some months back.

How rude.

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Someone had better shut this screaming EXPLOITED LADY down.

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mac's just holding two buttons and then entering "reset password" is enough to do the trick???

I intentionally omit booting into single user to change the password because the firmware locker most people seem capable of using thwarts it.

Thwarts what? What the fuck are you talking about. I don't care for your insanity. Just FUCK OFF.

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Use firmware password function to secure Single-User mode.

Your rambling babbling makes no sense. You think I fucking read your insanity. I skim through its toxic stupidity and poisonous vomit (spotting endless butchering of my own posts, don't think I haven't noticed - you're not a fucking creep at all..!) at WAY faster than 500wpm you fucktard.

RESPECTFULLY FUCK OFF. What part of RESPECT don't you get? The fact that you've never felt the emotion so you don't have a clue about what it consists of, and the fact that you just use it as more EXPLOITED LADY diarrhoeal rhetroic? Is that the part you don't get about RESPECT. FUCK OFF.

NOT FUCKING WELCOME. GO AWAY AND DIE.

You're a compulsive liar, a wretched leech, the poisonous insane emotional toxicity that has corrupted the world to its fucking core, and YOU'RE PISSING ME THE FUCK OFF.

YOU'RE NOT WELCOME. Stop dribbling your vile RESPECTFUL insanity. FUCK OFF. How many times have you been told that in your pathetic joke of a life?

If it's under 1000, I'd be stunned.

Someone had better shut this fucking INSANE WOMAN down.
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