Last time I checked, the Bulls have won more games this season than Boston, Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, and everyone else in the east- (its been a cpl weeks)
you seem to be downplaying that just a little
No, I"m not. I'm saying Lebron is the most valuable player in the league. As in, he has the most value to his team, or any team that he's on. You talking about the bulls record just re-enforces my point about it being essentially a team award, when it shouldn't be. It should go to the league's best player.
Pipen was no one without Jordan... fact..... neither was anyone else
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Pipen was no one without Jordan... fact..... neither was anyone else
Except that he lead his team to the 3rd best record in the conference without jordan and into the conference semi finals, while mo williams was ( and now baron davis is) leading the cavs to worst record in the league. Rodman and Kerr both won rings without jordan. You're sounding like an idiot here, Gallo.
I'm not trying to take anything away from Jordan, or say that Lebron is better than him, or anything like that. I infact clearly state I think Jordan should have won a decade's worth of MVPs, because he was the best player in the league from basically his 3rd season with the bulls, until he retired in 98. But because jordan was great, does not mean you need to hyperbolize his greatness by diminishing the players he played with. Jordan was the best player in the league, during his era, no question. But pippen was, at his peak, a top 5 player in the league, and perhaps the player you'd want to put beside jordan the most because of his skill set ( other than maybe a dominant center like Hakeem or Shaq).
Rodman was a rebounding savant. Horace Grant was an allstar during jordan's baseball sabbatical. Steve Kerr has the best 3point shooting percentage of all time. These are bums and no bodies that jordan played with. Jordan didn't make rodman a great rebounder. Jordan didn't make pippen a transcendent defensive player. Pippen's talent, hard work, hustle and basketball intelligence did that. It wasn't like Jordan was taking the toughest match up every night to make Pippen look better. quite the opposite, Pippen always took the tougher defensive perimeter matchup, which helped jordan (and the team) by letting jordan face the easier defensive matchup, which helped him to save energy for the offensive side of the ball.
My point is, Jordan was great, but there's no need to mythologize him by saying he carried a bunch of bums and nobodies to championships, because he simply did not. Jordan played with bums in the 80's when he was in his early 20s, and did about the same amount that Lebron did with bums in cleveland in his early 20's.
No, I"m not. I'm saying Lebron is the most valuable player in the league. As in, he has the most value to his team, or any team that he's on. You talking about the bulls record just re-enforces my point about it being essentially a team award, when it shouldn't be. It should go to the league's best player.
dude every time you post you change the fucking argument, you shoulda played the scarecrow in the wizard of oz in your drama class cuz you are all about the straw man
dude every time you post you change the fucking argument, you shoulda played the scarecrow in the wizard of oz in your drama class cuz you are all about the straw man
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I haven't changed the argument. The award goes to the best player, on the team everyone is most surprised by. It should go to the best player in the league. I've been saying that the whole time.
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